Discussion:
The night they drove old Dixie down
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stonej
18 years ago
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I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know. Which
version do you think
is best (if either).


http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
Bob Radil
18 years ago
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Post by stonej
I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know. Which
version do you think
is best (if either).
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
What surprised me was that the Joan Baez version kept the male
perspective lyrics. I know of only one other example of this - "You
Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher.

Bob Radil

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Uni
18 years ago
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...
Don't find much about WHNU, West Haven, CT, other than you have Maria
Sangiolo recordings in your library :-)

Uni
Brett A. Pasternack
18 years ago
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Post by Bob Radil
Post by stonej
I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know. Which
version do you think
is best (if either).
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
What surprised me was that the Joan Baez version kept the male
perspective lyrics. I know of only one other example of this - "You
Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher.
It used to be more common in the pre-rock days--see "For Me And My Gal"
by Judy Garland, for example.

James Taylor wrote and recorded the fine "Millworker" with a female
narrator character.
j***@LYC0S.C0M
18 years ago
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Post by Bob Radil
Post by stonej
I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know.
Among Band fans, hasn't it always just been assumed that Joanie didn't
have the written lyrics and just guessed, so that "Stoneman's cavalry"
became "so much cavalry..." and turned Robert E. Lee into a steamboat?
Post by Bob Radil
Post by stonej
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
What surprised me was that the Joan Baez version kept the male
perspective lyrics. I know of only one other example of this - "You
Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher.
And there's just about every Gram Parson's song that Emmylou ever re-did.
And, conversely, there's buddies Steve Goodman's "Penny Evans" and John
Prine's "Angel from Montgomery" (I've always wondered if one
"influenced" the other to do a female-perspective song).
j***@LYC0S.C0M
18 years ago
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Post by j***@LYC0S.C0M
Post by stonej
I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know.
Among Band fans, hasn't it always just been assumed that Joanie didn't
have the written lyrics and just guessed, so that "Stoneman's cavalry"
became "so much cavalry..." and turned Robert E. Lee into a steamboat?
I was trying to remember another error Baez made and checked the lyrics
on The Band website (easily one of the best musical artist fan websites
going) and found these two essays which I'd forgotten about. Possibly,
more than you'll ever want to know about the song <g>.

http://theband.hiof.no/articles/dixie_viney_old.html
http://theband.hiof.no/articles/dixie_viney.html

Oh, yeah, JB apparently also messes up the line
" By May the tenth, Richmond had fell"
and it becomes
"I drove the train to Richmond that fell"

http://theband.hiof.no/lyrics/night_they_drove_old_dixie_down.html

As someone says above, it's the "folk process" (or maybe it's just a
mondgreen that made it into a version of the song).
Mike G
18 years ago
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Post by Bob Radil
What surprised me was that the Joan Baez version kept the male
perspective lyrics. I know of only one other example of this - "You
Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher.
Bryan Ferry covered at least one song ("It's My Party") without
changing the lyric's gender.
BobbyM
18 years ago
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Post by Mike G
Post by Bob Radil
What surprised me was that the Joan Baez version kept the male
perspective lyrics. I know of only one other example of this - "You
Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher.
Bryan Ferry covered at least one song ("It's My Party") without
changing the lyric's gender.
Maybe the lyrics didn't change but the sexual orientation of the singer and
Johnny did, simply by Ferry singing it.

Dr. Robert
18 years ago
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Hi,
Singing lyrics as they were written without regard to gender is true
folk-style tradition.
Best,
Dr. Robert
Post by stonej
I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know. Which
version do you think
is best (if either).
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
Uni
18 years ago
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Post by Dr. Robert
Hi,
Singing lyrics as they were written without regard to gender is true
folk-style tradition.
Wasn't much of a Joan Baez fan. Often asked myself if she had any hits.
Then, today, I heard "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"! Not bad, not
bad at ALL!

Uni
Post by Dr. Robert
Best,
Dr. Robert
Post by stonej
I didn't realize that the lyrics were slightly changed between the
Joan Baez version and the
original by Robbie Robertson. Why that was done I don't know. Which
version do you think
is best (if either).
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
JGM
18 years ago
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Post by Dr. Robert
Hi,
Singing lyrics as they were written without regard to gender is true
folk-style tradition.
As is not worrying about complete faithfulness to the original
lyrics.

Here's my little write-up on this song, from the vaults:

At first consideration it may seem odd that a half-Mohawk Indian, half-
Jewish
Canadian could have created what is probably the best song ever
written about
the American South. But consider the story within the song, as told
by Virgil
Cain, a non-combatant railroad worker witnessing the scorched-earth
atrocities
of the Civil War from the losing side. Cain watches as the Union
General
George Stoneman destroys the railroad that is his livelihood; watches
as Richmond
falls; mourns the loss of his brother who was "proud and brave/but a
Yankee put
him in his grave". Who better than someone with Robertson's
background could
understand the feelings of persecution and impotent rage felt by
war's
bystanders? The song's central lament -- "You take what you need and
you leave
the rest/but they should never have taken the very best" -- is equally
valid as
an expression of grief from a Native as from a Confederate
perspective.

Adding further resonance is the heartfelt vocal delivery of the song
by Arkansas-bred
Levon Helm, who also provides the loping, ragged beat that perfectly
suits the
song's defeated yet proud theme.

Though never a hit, "Dixie" was the centerpiece and soul of The Band's
self-titled second album, and, along with "The Weight" from the Big
Pink sessions, remains the song most identified with the group. The
song spawned a handful of cover versions, notably Joan Baez'
top-10 version from 1971.

JGM
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